the Week of Proper 22 / Ordinary 27
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Hebrews 12:8
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But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
If God doesn't discipline you then it means you are a bastard and don't have a father.
But if you have not that punishment of which we all have our part, then you are not true sons, but children of shame.
But if ye are without chastening, of which all have been made partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
But if you are without discipline, whereof all have been made partakers, then are you illegitimate, and not sons.
But if ye are without chastning, of which all are partakers, then are ye bastards and not sons.
And if you are left without discipline, of which every true son has had a share, that shows that you are bastards, and not true sons.
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sonnes.
But if you are without discipline, of which all have become sharers, then you are bastards, and not sons.
Yf ye be not vnder correccion (wherof all are partakers) then are ye bastardes and not sonnes.
but if you were exempted from that discipline which others are subject to, then are you bastards, and not sons.
Now if you are exempt from correction and without discipline, in which all [of God's children] share, then you are illegitimate children and not sons [at all].
But if ye are without chastening, whereof all have been made partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
If ye be not vnder correccio (where of all are part takers) then are ye bastardes and not sonnes.
But if you are without chastening, whereof all have been made partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons.
But if ye are without chastisement, of which all are partakers, then are ye bastards and not sons.
and if ye are apart from chastening, of which all have become partakers, then bastards are ye, and not sons.
If you are never disciplined (and every child must be disciplined), you are not true children.
But if you do not experience discipline, something all sons have shared in, then you are illegitimate and are not sons.
If you do not experience discipline like everyone else, then you are illegitimate children and not true sons.
God corrects all of his children, and if he doesn't correct you, then you don't really belong to him.
All legitimate sons undergo discipline ; so if you don't, you're a mamzer and not a son!
If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
If therefore ye be without correction, whereof al are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sonnes.
But if you are without discipline, that very discipline by which every man is trained, then you are strangers and not sons.
But if you are without discipline—which all receive—then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
But if you are without discipline, whereof all have been made partakers, then are you illegitimate, and not sons.
Now if you are without any discipline, in which all sons share, then you are illegitimate and not his sons.Psalm 73:1; 1 Peter 5:9;">[xr]
And if ye be without the correction with which every one is corrected, ye are aliens, and not children.
But if ye are without that chastisement, with which every one is chastened, ye are become strangers and not sons.
But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.
If God doesn't discipline you as he does all of his children, it means that you are illegitimate and are not really his children at all.
If you are not punished as all sons are, it means that you are not a true son of God. You are not a part of His family and He is not your Father.
But if ye are without chastening, whereof all have been made partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
If you do not have that discipline in which all children share, then you are illegitimate and not his children.
If however ye are without discipline, whereof, all, have received a share, then, are ye, bastards, and, not sons.
But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are made partakers, then are you bastards and not sons.
But if you are without discipline, in which all legitimate sons have become participants, then you are illegitimate and not sons.
But yf ye be without chastisment, wherof all are partakers, then are ye bastardes, and not sonnes.
So, if you never receive the discipline that every child must have, you are not true children and don't really belong to God.
But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
If you are not punished, as all his children are, it means you are not real children, but bastards.
That if ye `ben out of chastising, whos parteneris ben ye alle maad, thanne ye ben auowtreris, and not sones.
Contextual Overview
Bible Verse Review
from Treasury of Scripure Knowledge
Hebrews 12:6, Psalms 73:1, Psalms 73:14, Psalms 73:15, 1 Peter 5:9, 1 Peter 5:10
Reciprocal: Deuteronomy 23:2 - General Psalms 73:5 - They are Proverbs 1:32 - and the Hosea 4:14 - punish
Cross-References
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord .
Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see thee, that they shall say, This is his wife: and they will kill me, but they will save thee alive.
And it came to pass, that, when Abram was come into Egypt, the Egyptians beheld the woman that she was very fair.
The princes also of Pharaoh saw her, and commended her before Pharaoh: and the woman was taken into Pharaoh's house.
And he entreated Abram well for her sake: and he had sheep, and oxen, and he asses, and menservants, and maidservants, and she asses, and camels.
Unto the place of the altar, which he had make there at the first: and there Abram called on the name of the Lord .
And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of the Lord , the everlasting God.
And he called the name of that place Bethel: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first.
And let us arise, and go up to Bethel; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.
And Joshua sent men from Jericho to Ai, which is beside Bethaven, on the east of Bethel, and spake unto them, saying, Go up and view the country. And the men went up and viewed Ai.
Gill's Notes on the Bible
But if ye be without chastisement,.... Or have no affliction:
whereof all are partakers; that is, all the children of God; they are all alike children; they are all in a state of imperfection, and prone to sin; God has an impartial respect unto them: and though they are not all alike chastened, nor chastened at all times, yet none are exempted from chastisement, but have it in some way or another, and at some time or another.
Then are ye bastards, and not sons; all are not sons that are under a profession of religion; all that are under a profession of religion are not chastised; but then those are not the children of God, but the children of the world, of Satan, and of the antichristian harlot; for though all that are chastised are not children, yet all that are children are chastised: hence we learn, that outward peace and prosperity is not a note of a true church; and that such have reason to distrust their state, who know not what it is to have the chastising rod of God upon them; and that afflictions are rather arguments for than against sonship.
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
But if ye be without chastisement - If you never meet with anything that is adapted to correct your faults; to subdue your temper; to chide your wanderings, it would prove that you were in the condition of illegitimate children - cast off and disregarded by their father.
Whereof all are partakers - All who are the true children of God.
Then are ye bastards, and not sons - The reference here is to the neglect with which such children are treated, and to the general want of care and discipline over them:
“Lost in the world’s wide range; enjoin’d no aim,
Prescrib’d no duty, and assign’d no name.”
Savage.
In the English law, a bastard is termed “nullius filius.” Illegitimate children are usually abandoned by their father. The care of them is left to the mother, and the father endeavors to avoid all responsibility, and usually to be concealed and unknown. His own child he does not wish to recognize; he neither provides for him; nor instructs him; nor governs him; nor disciplines him. A father, who is worthy of the name, will do all these things. So Paul says it is with Christians. God has not cast them off. In every way he evinces toward them the character of a father. And if it should be that they passed along through life without any occurrence that would indicate the paternal care and attention designed to correct their faults, it would show that they never had been his children, but - were cast off and wholly disregarded. This is a beautiful argument; and we should receive every affliction as full proof that we are not forgotten by the High and Holy One who condescends to sustain to us the character, and to evince toward us, in our wanderings, the watchful care of a Father.
Clarke's Notes on the Bible
Verse Hebrews 12:8. Then are ye bastards — This proceeds on the general fact, that bastards are neglected in their manners and education; the fathers of such, feeling little affection for, or obligation to regard, their spurious issue. But all that are legitimate children are partakers of chastisement or discipline; for the original word παιδεια does not imply stripes and punishments, but the whole discipline of a child, both at home and at school.
